Kind of or Kind’ve?

Do you remember when you were told in English grammar class that “would of” is incorrect? You were corrected and informed that the speaker is saying “would’ve” which is a phonetic identity of “would of”. You probably made this mistake because of the abundance of the preposition “of” in sentences that you had both vocalized and written. Also, identically spelled homophones such as “The boat rocks an alarming amount!” and “The rocks on the shore braced themselves against the currents” would further suggest that the phonetic identity indicates a spelling identity.

Recently, however, I have wondered about the validity of the phrase “kind of”:

<ohnobinki>     and he hangs out on #bangladesh kind've
<ohnobinki>     oh, btw
<zimjimmy>      hm
<ohnobinki>     I've discovered that the whole time I've been using kindeof when I should've used kind've
<zimjimmy>      ...?
<zimjimmy>      why would there be an e
<zimjimmy>      ?
<ohnobinki>     kindoef is wrong, kind've is correct
<ohnobinki>     idk
<ohnobinki>     I wondered that myself
<zimjimmy>      i never noticed you do that
<zimjimmy>      oh
<zimjimmy>      you mean kind of?
<ohnobinki>     no
<ohnobinki>     kind've=>kind have
<ohnobinki>     I kind have like pizza
<ohnobinki>     right?
<zimjimmy>      that... makes no sense
<ohnobinki>     kind of like pizza makes less sense
<zimjimmy>      um
<zimjimmy>      well
<zimjimmy>      i think it's an idiom
<ohnobinki>     maybe kind've liked pizza=> I kind have liked pizza b4
<ohnobinki>     ugh
<HonestBot>      get over it 
<ohnobinki>     only idiots use idiom
<ohnobinki>     *idioms :-)
<ohnobinki>     honestbot: no!

2009/05/13 on #protofusion

Which reminds me—I used to spell “kind of” as “kindeof”. I thought “kind of” should be merged into one word by the agency that controls English as the W3C controls XHTML.

Of course, I was wrong to say that “kind’ve” is the correct notation for “kind of”. I recently realized that “have” doesn’t fit into sentences containing “kind of”. If such a sentence exists, it would probably change its meaning; “have” can not act as a drop-in replacement for “of” in the phrase “kind of”:

<ohnobinki> I think I'm wrong about ``kind've''
<normaldotcom> lol
<normaldotcom> waddayamena
<normaldotcom> ?
<ohnobinki> well
<ohnobinki> when people say ``it is kind of green'', they mean ``It is a kind of green''
<ohnobinki> i.e., ``it is greenish'' or ``a modified green'', which would be a ``type of green''
<normaldotcom> lol yeah
<ohnobinki> and ``have'' doesn't fit into there are all
<ohnobinki> so ``kind've''=>``kind have'' doesn't work
<ohnobinki> wp article :-DC
<ohnobinki> ?
<normaldotcom> yeah
<normaldotcom> lol sure

2009/08/29 on #protofusion

I'm known as ohnobinki or just binki. I'm a Gentoo user/developer who likes to break software buildsystems. Sorry, I'm a GNU emacs user too. I like to fiddle with ebuilds and C programs. I wrote difffilter to help wrangle unified diffs.

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9 comments on “Kind of or Kind’ve?
  1. beth says:

    kind have-to be in kind with…therefore, I kind’ve (or have in kind) like pizza…?
    Just a thought. Sort’ve.. to have a sort in common???
    Hah! English!

    • Goblingook says:

      I agree. “of a sort” is not much better or worse than “have a sort” bearing in mind that “have” is already used interchangeably in a temporal(past/future) verb sense and in a possessive present sense.

    • Goblingook says:

      “I (somewhat)have a liking for pizza.”

    • Goblingook says:

      …and why is it okay to use “have” so ambiguously “I have to go to school”(some kind of adverb?) versus “I have my degree” (a possessive verb) anyway but somehow not interchangeably with “of”?

    • Goblingook says:

      Haha perhaps the error lies in the assumption that the user of kind’ve intends to say “kind of” and not “kinda have”..I mean if I say “can’t” but I’m thinking “can nyet”…how dare anyone tell me I’m wrong?šŸ˜„

  2. Loser says:

    Haha, “kind’ve” is not a word. If it was a word then without the apostrophe it would be “kind have”. Like, for example, here’s a sentence:
    My tooth is kind’ve wiggly.
    Without the apostrophe:
    My tooth is kind have wiggly.
    Doesn’t make sense, now, does it? šŸ™‚

    • a person who happens to exist at this current time says:

      It fuckin’ does m8 ta b’ fair, it doe ‘arf

  3. Dummy says:


    Secondly, “kind’ve” is even dumber. The phrase is “kind of” not “kind have”.

    Where are you coming up with this shit? Are you high??

  4. Goblingook says:

    It’s not right or wrong the contraction is not limited in speech to the word “have” because it’s already bastardized being that it’s a contraction. Before judging someone over this keep in mind that NONE of this is exactly “The Queen’s English”

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